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ive been clipped a few times tonight by stingers and didnt notice! i thought it was luck or lag! glad its been fixed

todays jaunts online have made me happy i stayed with it despite the obvious problems

was playing some rush games on Karg, gives you a chance to jump into the Frogfoot and score easy kills and points from the amphibious craft, team on the ground were doing an excellent job of killing any one who got onto the beach although they were a bit naff shooting at the chopper and A-10 trying to kill me! i was zinging around the air for 10 minutes or so bombing all the ground vehicles with impunity the pilot of the A-10 and Viper must have had the red mist for me because all they kept doing was trying to shoot at me and bring me down. its hillarious how some simple rolls and feints throw people off you in a dog fight! anyway the hate continued into the next round. Canals rush i jumped into the little bird and thought WTF ill give it a go

ended the match 30 something for 2. suiceded once and got took down by the Tunguska AA. all i heard all match was lock on warnings and me picking off the noob launchers

loved it tonight! chopper is now a bit more effective and the stinger damage is just right id say

Symonator wrote:come on states stop defending this basic fuck up...

Maybe I'm just more used to playing on my own than anyone else, but I can enjoy the game for what it is. Sure it's not perfect, and doubt it ever will be because as I've said before, I don't think Dice are especially great developers. They're good, but not great. And clearly their network programmers are one of the weaker links (audio being another lacking area).

But voice comms isn't the be all and end all for me. I can have fun with the game regardless. Plus, squads of two (mics) seem to work ok.

Maybe it isn't as good as 2142, or Modern Combat, or Bad Company, but it's still the best current FPS I have or want on PS3. I would rather just get on and enjoy it than moan about what it isn't personally. I find life is much more enjoyable that way

yorkshirepudding wrote:loved it tonight! chopper is now a bit more effective and the stinger damage is just right id say

AA damage was just right before, speaking as both a pilot and AA engineer. From the rest of your post it sounds like air has been beefed a) too much and b) where it didn't need to be. Sure, it's "just right" if you want to fly around causing havok (no pun intended), but only 2 to 4 people can do that. The other 10 are on the ground getting irritated by aircraft that it is (possibly) now not worth going after...

This is the single biggest concern about this patch (which is taking fucking ages to download - hence this essay). I've a horrible feeling the balance could have been tipped to the point where I'll be turning on my "infantry only" filter, which I really don't want to do.


EDIT: someone posted this on the EU forums... Dunno if it's placebo effect, or he was only in a squad with 2 mics, or what:

5 games and mics working great well done dice.

InfiniteStates wrote: Maybe I'm just more used to playing on my own than anyone else, but I can enjoy the game for what it is. Sure it's not perfect, and doubt it ever will be because as I've said before, I don't think Dice are especially great developers. They're good, but not great. And clearly their network programmers are one of the weaker links (audio being another lacking area).

I'd have to disagree with that for all their faults I wouldn't say Audio was one of them. (looking at their console games so far) It's lacking in BF3 with the dropouts but as a whole i'd say it's best in class.

BFBC1+2 and now Bf3 all have audio breakup/dropouts.

I actually think they've made the game worse:
1. INVR scope is now utterly useless
2. Bullet damage for some guns is so low you have to hit someone with half a clip or more
3. AA Tank can shoot down a chopper from more than half the map away, not bad considering the chopper pilot can't the buildings over on their base let alone see the damn tank.
4. Comms are even worse now.
5. Drop 6feet loose 30 health

And thats just from playing for 90 minutes on Rush with Yorkie and Infinite.

Battlefield 3: Act of Valor
http://www.actofvalor.com/bf3/

Fair enough States!!

Moving on.

After playing some today it's been alright, i think stinger vs air is now just right, i mean it really shouldn't take 1 auto aim weapon to remove 2 jets and a helicopter from the game... should it? lol.

I think the jet mingun buff is nice (i even got a couple of kills vs infantry)

HAd a massive laggy game though with daz and friends, that was like proper fooked ..

But yeah not bad, i like some changes for sure.

the major one for me still is the comms.
its a team/squad based game and you cant talk to your mates properly

fair enough they were slightly improved since i last played, but still stuttery and blurry as fuck

admittedly, few tweaks here and there are nice. But i have to draw a comparison between this and call of duty:


Slick Gameplay: COD > BF3
Lag Issues: COD > BF3
Comms: COD > BF3
Squad Systems: Both are crap
Graphics: BF3 > COD

Personal Rating out of 10:
COD: 8.5
BF3 in its current state: 7.5

comms should be fixed absolutly true but if its ever a game where we are all in it together then its not usually an issue as we all tend to know what to do!

mind you the other day it was hard on Conquest Metro i was playing with Grobbie and im not sure if the comms were bad but i kept saying to him they are taking A bugger the other two bases we need to find this camping little shit!

we won but it was a stressful win well played to grobbie though on our succesfuly breach of a building from two doors

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/20427462-post19.html

I'm saying no more.

BF3 now banned in Iran - big surprise since the multiplayer is mostly tearing up the place

http://www.gamesradar.com/battlefield-3 ... nned-iran/

shame it doesnt mean LESS KSA players though wrong country

Astro wrote:

InfiniteStates wrote:And clearly their network programmers are one of the weaker links (audio being another lacking area).

I'd have to disagree with that for all their faults I wouldn't say Audio was one of them. (looking at their console games so far) It's lacking in BF3 with the dropouts but as a whole i'd say it's best in class.

Don't confuse the guys that make the sounds (who are great) with the guys that develop the engine that plays the sounds. They are two different sets of people, and it's the latter I'm talking about. Battlefield on this generation of consoles has had a lot of sound engine problems, and BF3 is no exception.

Dazbobaby wrote:BFBC1+2 and now Bf3 all have audio breakup/dropouts.

Exactly my point.

InfiniteStates wrote:

Astro wrote:

InfiniteStates wrote:And clearly their network programmers are one of the weaker links (audio being another lacking area).

I'd have to disagree with that for all their faults I wouldn't say Audio was one of them. (looking at their console games so far) It's lacking in BF3 with the dropouts but as a whole i'd say it's best in class.

Don't confuse the guys that make the sounds (who are great) with the guys that develop the engine that plays the sounds. They are two different sets of people, and it's the latter I'm talking about. Battlefield on this generation of consoles has had a lot of sound engine problems, and BF3 is no exception.

Dazbobaby wrote:BFBC1+2 and now Bf3 all have audio breakup/dropouts.

Exactly my point.

Fair Enough.

chrisdfa1 wrote:Lag Issues: COD > BF3

For real? I haven't had a single spot of lag since the server side update...? Although Sy had a bad game apparently.

I always join Dice servers if it makes any difference.

CoD must be pretty spectacular to be better than BF3 in my experience (or you're ports aren't open properly ).

yorkshirepudding wrote:BF3 now banned in Iran - big surprise since the multiplayer is mostly tearing up the place

http://www.gamesradar.com/battlefield-3 ... nned-iran/

It was never sold in Iran - it just means they are clamping down on bootleg copies. I'm sure EA/DICE are gutted...

Symonator wrote:After playing some today it's been alright, i think stinger vs air is now just right, i mean it really shouldn't take 1 auto aim weapon to remove 2 jets and a helicopter from the game... should it? lol.

But it never did. How did you get to that? I have squad explosives perk equipped to give me 5 rockets maybe? It used to take 4 to bring down a chopper armed with flares, and that's if he's too stupid get out of range of me.

It also used to take 2 hits to down a jet (3 if he has flares). And that is unlikely as they don't stay in range long enough for you to get off 4 rockets.

So I don't know where you got one weapon removing 3 vehicles at the likely cost (because everyone has flares) of 10 rockets. Sure - it's possible (or was). But it sure as hell isn't the norm.

you could if you were unlucky be hit by a stinger pre patch this would then set you on fire and knock you somewhat out of control, as your health goes down you end up more and more on fire and control worsens, not such a problem in the chopper if you can find a safe area to land you can repair, tough shit in a jet unless you have the extinguisher which i think no sensible person has because you need that slot for flares!

either way get clipped to near to the ground or a mountain and its unhappy landings! at least in my case it is

InfiniteStates wrote:

chrisdfa1 wrote:Lag Issues: COD > BF3

For real? I haven't had a single spot of lag since the server side update...? Although Sy had a bad game apparently.

I always join Dice servers if it makes any difference.

CoD must be pretty spectacular to be better than BF3 in my experience (or you're ports aren't open properly ).

yorkshirepudding wrote:BF3 now banned in Iran - big surprise since the multiplayer is mostly tearing up the place

http://www.gamesradar.com/battlefield-3 ... nned-iran/

It was never sold in Iran - it just means they are clamping down on bootleg copies. I'm sure EA/DICE are gutted...

Symonator wrote:After playing some today it's been alright, i think stinger vs air is now just right, i mean it really shouldn't take 1 auto aim weapon to remove 2 jets and a helicopter from the game... should it? lol.

But it never did. How did you get to that? I have squad explosives perk equipped to give me 5 rockets maybe? It used to take 4 to bring down a chopper armed with flares, and that's if he's too stupid get out of range of me.

It also used to take 2 hits to down a jet (3 if he has flares). And that is unlikely as they don't stay in range long enough for you to get off 4 rockets.

So I don't know where you got one weapon removing 3 vehicles at the likely cost (because everyone has flares) of 10 rockets. Sure - it's possible (or was). But it sure as hell isn't the norm.

It wasn't the norm no.
But it was doable, for example the other night before patch we joined a server and 2 guys were baseraping on caspian in jets.

Me n killzone as a squad of 2 removed all the air vehicles out of the sky with stingers, like the trolls do.

It was vehicle disabled for 1 jet via my stinger, a few seconds later he caught on fire and i got the kill.
Killzone got the other.

As for choppers... if you don't disable them, your stinger will shoot them out the chopper.. which happened too.

If 1 person is gunna troll your air vehicle for the game, no matter how good you are, the stinger would always triumph.

NOW, stingers drop you to about 55-60% health, which means you have time to get away instead of catching fire or being shot out.
I think if you die now in a heli/jet from 2 stingers then fair enough, you should of done more to get away.
Before it was just to easy. uber easy infact point and forget.

Gotta make sure thats stinger is gunna be fired right.


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Also from the patch that minigun from the jet no longer makes the heli's go out of control (like a pulling effect) - which was deffo needed.
All the noobs knew it, so they would take LONG slow runs towards ya chopper until it flipped/rolled the chopper.

I love it vs jets though, you shoot them and they bail.. then u just wait for them to hit parachute and lay the smackdown with the hellfires
Couldn't do it before because the chopper would do a retarded dive bomb from the pulling effect.