The Mess Hall

redVENGEANCE wrote:well the pic on the left says 1 jet each but the pic on the right says 2 jets each

It also says 4 flags on the left while on PC there are 5. Maybe left is console print and right is PC?

theENIGMATRON wrote:A big thing everyone is missing!!

BFBC2 fans may = 20,000 or so!!
MoH fans may = 20,000 or so!! TRUE FANS
CoD fans may = 500,000 or so!!

Why would they develop a game that. 20,000 true fans love!
When they can coup in for every market!
bf fans moh fans cod fans

Why develop a game that 20,000 are mega happy with and defo buy the game
when they can have more than triple the market

Sorry to say but if I develop something I would want to carter
for every market and cash in!
no complaining or anything is going to change
money!!

Yes Dave pretty sure that this is part of their train of thought. Some people like men, some bears, some pigs, so lets make manbearpig (south park reference to make evryone like it. Doesn't always work.

Also Dave, gaming crowd is incredibly fickle. They love you now they hate you 2 minutes later then they love you 5 minutes later and so on. To achive what DICE achieved, a loyal following is a mammoth task. But the history is full of big companies fuck ups. Just watched some documentary about it on BBC, how Coca Cola reinvented themselves to compete with Fanta (or was it pepsi?) and pissed off a lot of loyal fans of the old taste. I guess we just have to wait and see what this MoHCoDBF frankenstein be like.

i think its gonna be fucking awesome

redVENGEANCE wrote:i think its gonna be fucking awesome

QFT ^

Don't want it? Don't buy it.
Want it? Buy it.

Simples.

I bet both games have full servers for at least the rest of the year, and beyond... And that's all that matters to me. I'm not an EA or Activision shareholder.

A Cobra vs a Havoc? that doesnt seem right!

LMFAO

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmuZ9N0pg_o[/youtube]

Killzone_Kid wrote:

chrisdfa1 wrote:Plus the people that'll pre-order both, then wont bother getting round to sending BF3 back.....keerrrcchhiinnnggg again!

Chris ytou get 40.98 back if you send back BF3, you think everyone is as rich as you are and won't bother with 40 quid?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....personal attacks now [-x
fyi i earn 6.89 an hour and work 30hours a week, you do the math!!
hardly rich???

just give up now man, your arguement has already had a massive 'fail' stamped all over it. Your ignoring other peoples comments and being major one track minded......BOOORRRIIINNNGGGGG!




or ill set my mate on you

I spoke to my friend who owns the independant gameshop in town this morning and explained this deal, i showed him the link on his laptop.

This is what he said.


If you buy bf3 for £40 gamestop make the money on that profit - which is usually 50% of the RRP.
You then trade in and by mw3 for a pound and they sell bf3 for another £30 essentially making the bf3 game £71 which in turn means the game really costs £71 once it's been through the markets but they only really payed EA for the £40 worth of goods.
Also you have to make sure your game and money stays in the same gaming shop which the guarentee you will shop with them again.
The then used copy of bf3 makes them the money again and the online pass system makes up the other % EA would of lost.

He went on to say that, the chances are gamestop have got a special order where buying in bulk means they get each unit at about £24-£28 which is common, so if that was the case the margin of profit exceeds the deal, and they are quids in which ever way it is.

In relaity the gameshop would lose £9 on mw3, but not if they have bulk purchases of £28, meaning the 2nd hand profit is much bigger than buying it new anyway.

love it when a plan comes together

my mate said that he couldn't even order that many games, he couldn't sell them all, it would be a pure loss to a small buisness, but someone like gamestop or game could do this and make more money selling the 2nd hand copy.

Well I looked around internetz and also it is common business practice that retailer operates on 30% markup. I've read few article about how games are priced and 25-30% to the retailer from the price of the game seems to be consistent, so I have not idea how your friend is making 50%

Also the deal is you pay for 2 games but get 40.98 refund if you return BF3. I just cannot see what you mean by making £70 odd quid on returned game? They do give you your £41 quid back that you paid them so after pricing BF3 £37 something they actually give you the whole price plus £4 quid back.

If you assume that the profit marging is indeed 25-30% and not 50% they make fuck all on second hand deal. I still doubt 50% is correct figure, sounds to fucking good to be true. Fuck I will go sell games tomo if this is the case.

simple KK.

game cost 40 - u return it - they make 30 back on it, they would lose £9 after refunding you, but not if they buy each unit at a cheaper price - they would still be making £6 if the game was £24 to buy from the warehouse. (which is more than likly what is really going on)

Also for that second hand game EA will get nothing they already paid ea on the full game - all ea will get is the online pass profit.

and lol!!!!!!! this guy has ran a gaming business for 17 years.. i would think he knows the gaming markups.

u gotta remember they buy games for much cheaper than they are sold at retail.. it doesn't cost game £40 for bf3, it costs them 24.

They can do this deal because of how many items they buy in bulk meaning the orginal unit price is lower than u paid for for anyway.

Sy it is even more simple.

My wallet - £40
Gamestop wallet - £0

I buy the game for £40

My wallet - £0
Gamestop wallet - £40

I return the game and get refund from Gamestop

My wallrt - £40
Gamestop - £0

We are back where we started, no one made any money only Gamestop has secondhandcopy now which they cannot sell as new. Who lost?

I return the game and get refund from Gamestop

My wallrt - £40
Gamestop - £0
2nd hand gamestop wallet - 30

balance £-9 to gamestop.
Add in the fact it only cost them a wholesale price

40-24 = 16 spare.

16+30 = 46 total price

profit £6.

okay?

Ok, the copy I returned to them is now second hand.

They paid for it £24
They have to sell it £24+ to make a profit

Online pass that you will have to pay £10
New game - £40

So they have to sell it for lets say £25 secondhand so that I'm interested to buy that than new so that after paying £10 for online I have paid £35 total

They paid £24, they sell it for £25 = £1 profit, whereas they can make £16 profit if they sellit new.

Question is why would they want to lose £15 on every returned copy?

Still think your profit margins too high.

they sell the game at £30 - thats how it will be no if's or buts, man i'm glad u don't pay my bills, i'd be fucked.